On my old win 98se machine ( I use this mostly for old tech programs) my updates have stopped. My last update is 8206 core and 6018 trace. I am using 4.24 .1004 pro version. I also use SAS on my modern machines with no problem. Have you stopped updates for 4.24.1004? PS Just ran a quick scan with the older defs and it caught a trojan!! I don't know if Nick is still around, but thanks for keeping my old box going:> Customer from the beginning years ago.